well i wasn't sure if i had to format or not, i did get one, it shut down my firewall on its own, and without that my avast wasn't enough to stop it on its own. but my dad did a system restore and 3 avast virus scans and for the time being it looks fine, but my brother said he also has had this one b4 and even tho he got rid of it, it managed to stay in his background, effecting his ping and crap. I did test out my ping earlier today and it seems to be fine, but knowing my luck it will show its ugly head again. Thx for letting them know fink